Apr 11 09:01:26 Well what I wanted to talk about is that I have remastered fedora before, adding packages to improve usability for beginners. Apr 11 09:01:36 awesome :) Apr 11 09:01:51 I am interested in applying for Netbook remix Apr 11 09:02:21 The big thing, probably the most important thing is that a lot of the work is going to have to be done in heavy communcation with the KDE SIG, upstream, and FESCo, which is why jreznik and I want the chance to talk to possible mentorees Apr 11 09:02:47 I'm excited to see so many people interested in the project :) Apr 11 09:02:47 rrix: netbook remix involves package splitting? Apr 11 09:02:52 mathstuf: yup Apr 11 09:03:10 adimania: this is mathstuf, unfortunate enough to have to deal with me in the SIG on occaision ;) Apr 11 09:03:29 Although I haven't ever stripped down the distro but I think I can do it. Hi mathstuf :) Apr 11 09:03:30 adimania: do you have any experience in packaging? Apr 11 09:04:30 A packaged .deb a couple of years ago. Didn't do anything because of workload lately. Apr 11 09:04:38 ahh okay Apr 11 09:04:58 I guess rpm can be packaged in same way. Apr 11 09:05:15 a spec file and all that stuff Apr 11 09:05:41 I think the biggest portion of this project will be packaging work, splitting them primarily, which is decidedly a little more complicated than putting them together. Figuring out dependancies is the hardest thing about it, probably. Apr 11 09:06:05 but you have packaging experience, which is a good thing Apr 11 09:06:07 yeah Apr 11 09:06:18 finding out what reqs go with what is the painful part Apr 11 09:06:33 yes, that is the first thing I thought of. adding stuff is easy, stripping is difficult. Apr 11 09:06:55 and figuring out something to do so that the distro doesn't break when the split packages end up in Fedora updates Apr 11 09:06:57 kdeedu will be the worst imo Apr 11 09:07:30 yup yup Apr 11 09:08:02 But this will an awesome project to spend my summer vacation. Apr 11 09:08:08 adimania: do you have any current invovlemtn in Fedora/ Apr 11 09:08:13 involvement, too* Apr 11 09:08:42 step, akonadi, rocs, cantor Apr 11 09:08:57 large/complex apps that are probably tangled together Apr 11 09:09:06 rrix: I am a fedora ambassador. I have organized several workshops and install fests and I am maintaining a local repo in my college Apr 11 09:09:10 kdepim should be fun too... I think any splitting will end up pulling them back together by deps anyways Apr 11 09:09:19 adimania: awesome ! even better :) Apr 11 09:10:04 Install fests are fun. Got to work on all sort of laptop hardware. Apr 11 09:10:04 I guess... hmmm. idk what jaroslav and I are looking for in a proposal right now Apr 11 09:10:20 * rrix hasn't had the chance to go to any installfests yet; they're always in the morning ;) Apr 11 09:11:00 We run install fests in two shifts. morning and evening! :) Apr 11 09:11:10 Now that is a good idea :) Apr 11 09:11:39 quaid: ping Apr 11 09:13:11 So, what are you expecting in an application? Apr 11 09:13:33 I'm pretty sure https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_proposal_application is still under construction so I'm just going through out some stuff Apr 11 09:13:33 Are there any pre-requisites? Apr 11 09:14:10 1) list previous experience in packaging and involvement in FOSS Apr 11 09:14:26 2) current invovment in Fedora (if any) Apr 11 09:14:43 3)hmm Apr 11 09:14:50 looking at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010_student_proposal_application it has most of the stuff on it Apr 11 09:15:31 I laid out pretty well what the project consists of on the wiki, that can probably be omitted, but most of the other stuff on there is pertinent Apr 11 09:15:53 I saw that already. I was talking about project specific requirements. I guess packaging is one of them. What's more? Apr 11 09:15:55 quaid: how are we handling applications? Are they being added as wiki pages in the FSC2010 category? Apr 11 09:16:07 ahhh Apr 11 09:16:11 1) Package splitting Apr 11 09:16:35 1.1) communicating with the SIG about how you plan on it, and taking input from them at a regular meeting, and/or on the mailing list Apr 11 09:16:49 1.2) doing the actual package splitting work Apr 11 09:17:08 1.3) Figuring out a solution that doesn't cause existing installs to break when the user updates to the split packages Apr 11 09:17:19 2) Add as Fedora 14 Feature Apr 11 09:17:36 2.1) Create Feature wiki page Apr 11 09:17:55 2.2) Communicate with FESCo at all Feature meetings you can attend (fairly not-often Apr 11 09:18:26 3) Make it a 'blessed' Fedora 14 spin Apr 11 09:18:39 I like 3) :D Apr 11 09:18:45 3.1) This all goes through FESCo, I'm not 100% sure of what has to ahppen Apr 11 09:18:57 it sounds like a butt-ton of work, but the entire SIG will be working with you on this project :) Apr 11 09:19:13 which is why I keep banging on the communication frying pan :) Apr 11 09:20:06 * pwbarnes_away has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Apr 11 09:20:21 Communication is important in any case. Especially to avoid duplication of work. Apr 11 09:20:55 Yup Apr 11 09:20:58 another thing, i guess Apr 11 09:21:16 4) If bugs are discovered, you should be in close contact with the Plasma folks upstream Apr 11 09:21:25 they are nice folks, and a lot of really cool folks Apr 11 09:21:50 yeah. I know a few people from KDE. They are nice people to talk. Apr 11 09:22:25 jreznik said that there were some layout issues with the plasma-netbook on eeepc700, which is one of the devices we are targeting. If this is so, we need to relay the information to them. I'm a beginner plasma-hacker so I may be able to help out in that field (the work as well as talking with them) Apr 11 09:23:43 hmm. I haven't done any thing with plasma. :( Apr 11 09:24:53 well, communication :) you shouldn't have to do any madness f bugfxing yourself Apr 11 09:25:12 just making sure that notmart and the plasma-netbook folks are aware of it Apr 11 09:25:58 Ahh. Relatively easy task. :) Apr 11 09:26:11 yup! Apr 11 09:26:29 * pwbarnes (~nman64@fedora/nman64) has joined #fedora-summer-coding Apr 11 09:26:34 I think I should start with package splitting. Apr 11 09:26:57 yup Apr 11 09:27:08 mathstuf: do you see that I'm missing anything? I'll run this by jaroslav tomorrow Apr 11 09:27:20 * pwbarnes is now known as pwbarnes_away Apr 11 09:35:47 i dont think so Apr 11 09:38:26 sweet! Apr 11 09:38:35 adimania: I look forward to hearing more from you! Apr 11 09:39:31 I will get back to you once I am done with packaging and splitting or if I face any sort of problems. Apr 11 09:39:54 In any case, I will idle on this channel :) Apr 11 09:41:49 adimania: I think for now, the FSC folks would like to see proposals; I'm not really sure that the funding stuff is all set up yet, and what exactly is gong to happen with that. We're kinda, as quaid said in a recent blog post, moving in while the sacffolding is still up and there are things I'm not 100% sure of. I'd hate to see you start all sorts of work, and then hit a wall when expectations change Apr 11 09:43:37 Even if I don't get the project or things change, I don't think learning packaging and splitting will hurt. I may be able to contribute to some other projects with this knowledge. Right? Apr 11 09:45:51 I like that attitude a lot :) Apr 11 09:46:56 I'm going to throw this log at jreznik if that's okay with you Apr 11 09:47:51 Its absolutely fine with me. Thanks for compliment. :) Apr 11 09:47:57 oh, I totally just had a thinko; You're Aditya who mailed me today, aren't you Apr 11 09:48:06 well, yesterday :) Apr 11 09:48:08 Yes. The very same. Apr 11 09:48:19 awesome! Apr 11 09:54:53 Well then, I am off to finish my assignments. I will catch up with you later. Nice talking to you rrix :) Apr 11 09:55:06 The same! Apr 11 09:55:10 have a good day, adimania Apr 11 09:55:28 Good Day to you too.