Apr 27 01:02:04 <adimania>	I want to know that since last time jreznik said that splitting will be mostly done by package maintainers and KDE sig people
Apr 27 01:02:39 <adimania>	so the student would be left with building the spin only. Right?
Apr 27 01:03:01 <dhastha>	rrix, May i do my own project for fedora?
Apr 27 01:03:26 <rrix>	adimania: correct
Apr 27 01:03:55 <rrix>	dhastha: You are allowed to submit your own ideas, correc,t you only have to get in contact with someone willing to mentor it i think
Apr 27 01:05:01 <adimania>	rrix: okay. And apart from remastering experience what are the things you are looking for in a potential student?
Apr 27 01:05:21 <adimania>	and packaging :)
Apr 27 01:05:44 <rrix>	a good eye for what would work on a netbook, i suppose :)
Apr 27 01:06:45 <adimania>	may be I should check out some net books OSs and see what they are offering.
Apr 27 01:07:20 <dhastha>	rrix, What an organisation expecting from a student to do project?
Apr 27 01:07:33 <adimania>	rrix: what if the KDE SIG people are not able to split the required packages within the timeline?
Apr 27 01:08:03 <adimania>	dhastha: Unlike GSoC we don't have multiple orgs here
Apr 27 01:08:18 <adimania>	its only fedora and related projects :)
Apr 27 01:09:01 <rrix>	dhastha: please take a looka t https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Summer_Coding_2010#You_are_a_student
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Apr 27 01:10:26 <rdieter>	rrix: hiya
Apr 27 01:10:51 <rrix>	heyyy
Apr 27 01:11:16 <rrix>	rdieter: adimania is wondering what happens for the KDE netbook FSC if we are not able to get the packages split, sicne that will be more of a group effort
Apr 27 01:12:29 <rdieter>	I think it's not a pass/fail thing, it'll be more like: how much progress will we make?
Apr 27 01:13:20 <rdieter>	there's more to making things netbook-happy, that pkg splits, no?
Apr 27 01:13:24 <rdieter>	than...
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Apr 27 01:14:55 <adimania>	rdieter: then how the project will be evaluated?
Apr 27 01:15:23 <adimania>	I mean how are we going to decide the milestones?
Apr 27 01:16:31 <rdieter>	ok, fair question.  such evaluatable milestones will need to be made then.  I'm not privy to any existing plan of attack here.
Apr 27 01:16:36 <rdieter>	rrix: is there one yet?
Apr 27 01:16:51 <adimania>	rdieter: can you please elaborate "there's more"? I am looking for that.
Apr 27 01:17:02 <rrix>	basically, we're splitting, the student will be putting together a spin
Apr 27 01:17:24 <rrix>	getting it through FESCo spins process
Apr 27 01:17:34 <rrix>	and doing a lot of spitshine on it
Apr 27 01:17:37 <rdieter>	rrix: ok, if sizing, optmizing for a netbook spin is the only goals here, then that's that.
Apr 27 01:17:49 <rrix>	kk
Apr 27 01:18:04 <rrix>	so if they have to block on us, it wouldn't affect them negatively
Apr 27 01:18:52 <rdieter>	is there any size goal, constraints spec'd yet?
Apr 27 01:19:14 <adimania>	We should target some spec and then think of the build.
Apr 27 01:19:16 <rdieter>	or... as long as it fits on a livecd... ?
Apr 27 01:19:48 <rdieter>	of course, livecd's are largely silly for netbooks, since most netbooks don't have a cd.
Apr 27 01:20:25 <rdieter>	so... something like an install footprint of... something like 3-4 Gb?  (smaller?  bigger?)
Apr 27 01:20:35 <adimania>	If the live cd size and config is the only constraint then we can strip down the existing spin and configure it on the way.
Apr 27 01:21:49 <rdieter>	that would be a good first pass, sure.
Apr 27 01:22:58 <rdieter>	preconfiguring stuff to largely work out of the box...
Apr 27 01:23:11 <rdieter>	coming up with test plans new splits and features
Apr 27 01:23:14 <adimania>	I have kind of done that already. Instead of stripping it was adding stuff to create a live dvd :)
Apr 27 01:23:16 <rdieter>	test plans for....
Apr 27 01:23:34 <rdieter>	so, in the end, largely an iterative process
Apr 27 01:24:15 <rdieter>	maybe involve testing and evaulating competitors netbook-targeted products, see if there's any good ideas to steal/borrow
Apr 27 01:24:21 <rrix>	rdieter: There /will/ be a size goal, etc I thnk
Apr 27 01:24:36 <rrix>	I am hoping < 1gb install footprint
Apr 27 01:24:41 <rrix>	little to no gtk deps
Apr 27 01:24:48 <rdieter>	rrix: oh boy.  ouch that's small.
Apr 27 01:24:50 <rdieter>	:)
Apr 27 01:24:52 <rrix>	;)
Apr 27 01:25:03 <rrix>	it's targeting the early eeepc-type models with 3g-4g ssd
Apr 27 01:25:24 <rdieter>	ok, not sure if that's doable, but it's a noble goal. :)
Apr 27 01:25:46 <rdieter>	set the bar high (or low in this case).
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Apr 27 01:27:08 <adimania>	rrix: rdieter: Maybe I can try to strip a live cd first. This will give us a maximum limit of the install footprint.
Apr 27 01:27:53 <rdieter>	ok, then identify best targets for pkg splits, to save more space?
Apr 27 01:28:21 <adimania>	anything which I will build from the splitted packages has to be smaller than it.
Apr 27 01:28:39 <rrix>	yup
Apr 27 01:28:42 <rrix>	rdieter: +1
Apr 27 01:31:01 <adimania>	we might have to eliminate some heavier apps and replace it with similar less memory using apps.
Apr 27 01:32:51 <rdieter>	<nod>
Apr 27 01:34:21 <adimania>	rrix: rdieter: anything else I should know?
Apr 27 01:34:45 <rrix>	idk, don't think so
Apr 27 01:35:17 <rdieter>	that's a good start... once the size-related pain-points are identified, the real fun starts.  splitting and testing things
Apr 27 01:35:52 <adimania>	rrix: cool! I'll ping you again if I come up with something.
Apr 27 01:36:20 <rrix>	cool indeed!
Apr 27 01:36:25 <rrix>	rdieter: yup yup!
Apr 27 01:36:49 <adimania>	rrix: rdieter: I will try to strip the live cd before the application period closes so that I can include the maximum size in my proposal.
Apr 27 01:37:18 <rrix>	k-rad